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I'm almost sure one of the cables going to the AC relay is interrupted somewhere, making intermittent contact and thus behaving the way you described. You could ring the wires with a multimeter to find the faulty one and replace it, but it won't be trivial. Unfortunately I don't have a schematic diagram of the car, it would have been far easier to identify the points which cause the intermittent behavior.
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Their number isn't that high once you look on the schematic. The main problem is the cumbersome access to check them. If someone could share the schematic related to AC control, I can definitely help you identify wiring's functionality.
Reduced to a minimum, the AC system works as following:
-> the clutch needs +12V and GND to be switched on by a relay;
-> clutch command relay also needs +12V and GND to be activated. Its coil voltage is controlled either by some stupid switch inside the car (manual AC, as in my ancient Corsa) or by the HVAC ECU (automatic AC, as you have). Without a schematic I can only tell the possibilities to command the relay:
a) one coil pin permanently connected to GND, one switched to +12V;
b) one coil pin permanently connected to +12V, one switched to GND;
c) both coil pins connected in the same time, one to +12V and one to GND.
The most plausible is a), but I don't like to work on assumptions.
Since you already shorted relay's contacts commanding the clutch and you got the compressor working after that, it is obvious that the high power side works properly and the defect is somewhere in the command part. This means the relay, one of the wires from relay control, or the HVAC ECU itself are defective. Or all in the same time, but I don't think you're THAT unlucky.
In order to find the issue and fix it, you need to identify the wires connected to relay's coil and where these are connected to HVAC ECU. Once you identified them, turn AC on and then measure the voltage between the wires going from ECU to coil on both ECU out and the coil. You can get one of the following situations:
1. No voltage at ECU = faulty ECU;
2. Voltage at ECU but nothing on the coil = broken wire / bad plug contact (can be on +12V, GND or both wires);
3. Voltage on the coil, but clutch off = 100% faulty relay.
However, since you noticed intermittent behavior when fiddling with the wires, I'd say the most likely cause is nr. 2. I hope it helps.
Reduced to a minimum, the AC system works as following:
-> the clutch needs +12V and GND to be switched on by a relay;
-> clutch command relay also needs +12V and GND to be activated. Its coil voltage is controlled either by some stupid switch inside the car (manual AC, as in my ancient Corsa) or by the HVAC ECU (automatic AC, as you have). Without a schematic I can only tell the possibilities to command the relay:
a) one coil pin permanently connected to GND, one switched to +12V;
b) one coil pin permanently connected to +12V, one switched to GND;
c) both coil pins connected in the same time, one to +12V and one to GND.
The most plausible is a), but I don't like to work on assumptions.
Since you already shorted relay's contacts commanding the clutch and you got the compressor working after that, it is obvious that the high power side works properly and the defect is somewhere in the command part. This means the relay, one of the wires from relay control, or the HVAC ECU itself are defective. Or all in the same time, but I don't think you're THAT unlucky.
In order to find the issue and fix it, you need to identify the wires connected to relay's coil and where these are connected to HVAC ECU. Once you identified them, turn AC on and then measure the voltage between the wires going from ECU to coil on both ECU out and the coil. You can get one of the following situations:
1. No voltage at ECU = faulty ECU;
2. Voltage at ECU but nothing on the coil = broken wire / bad plug contact (can be on +12V, GND or both wires);
3. Voltage on the coil, but clutch off = 100% faulty relay.
However, since you noticed intermittent behavior when fiddling with the wires, I'd say the most likely cause is nr. 2. I hope it helps.
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Ah dear friends, any more advices? Now when days are really hot it is really uncomfortable to drive without A/C working. What can I do? Nobody was able to help me solve it so far. It's nightmare! Thank you for ANY advice!
ratoiu2000, where can I find HVAC ECU? I have only manual A/C, not automatic / dual climatronic.
What happens after pressing the A/C button? Analog signal is sent directly to the Underhood El. Center (UEC) where it switches the coil of the A/C relay? Or it sends analog signal to some ECU (maybe that HVAC ECU?) to transform to some digital signal and then this digital signal is sent via can-bus to the ECU to command the A/C relay to switch on? I wish I had schematics or any more information to find out what to do next.
Thank you.
ratoiu2000, where can I find HVAC ECU? I have only manual A/C, not automatic / dual climatronic.
What happens after pressing the A/C button? Analog signal is sent directly to the Underhood El. Center (UEC) where it switches the coil of the A/C relay? Or it sends analog signal to some ECU (maybe that HVAC ECU?) to transform to some digital signal and then this digital signal is sent via can-bus to the ECU to command the A/C relay to switch on? I wish I had schematics or any more information to find out what to do next.
Thank you.
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@zrb17: you can download wiring diagram from here: ftp://toksvaerd.dyndns.dk/...-G/Astra%20G.pdf. that could be usefull.
@cristi_bv, @LDivora: pinul 20(cupla gri) din panou comanda climatronic ajunge la pinul 17 de la ECM? In schemele electrice am vazut ca pin20 ajunge la ECU, insa in alte discutii pe forumuri cei care au modificat A/C in Climatronic ziceau ca pin20 ECC( electronic climate control) se leaga la pin17 ECM.Nu este nicio legatura electrica directa intre ECC si ECM, cel putin conform schemelor electrice gasite de mine ci doar via ECU. Care este adevarul? Ma intereseaza, fiindca am o problema de functionare intermitenta a compresorului, care cred ca e o problema electrica( fir sau conectica intrerupta).
Multumesc!
@cristi_bv, @LDivora: pinul 20(cupla gri) din panou comanda climatronic ajunge la pinul 17 de la ECM? In schemele electrice am vazut ca pin20 ajunge la ECU, insa in alte discutii pe forumuri cei care au modificat A/C in Climatronic ziceau ca pin20 ECC( electronic climate control) se leaga la pin17 ECM.Nu este nicio legatura electrica directa intre ECC si ECM, cel putin conform schemelor electrice gasite de mine ci doar via ECU. Care este adevarul? Ma intereseaza, fiindca am o problema de functionare intermitenta a compresorului, care cred ca e o problema electrica( fir sau conectica intrerupta).
Multumesc!
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zrb17 a scris:Thank you gezak, but that is for Astra G, I'm looking for Vectra C diagrams.
Poate sunt eu mai conservator...,dar pe un forum englezesc,nu vin eu si scriu in romaneste avind pretentia ca toti englezii sa scrie in romaneste...,e o chestie de bun simt! Ai intrat pe un forum romanesc,scrii in romaneste(te ajuta Google!)! ... P1530 A/C Relay Voltage Low Heating, Vent
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Salut
Aceeasi problema o am si eu la vectra b 2001 1.6 16v eroare 1530 si clima merge doar cu motorul rece dimineata la prima cheie pentru 3 , 4 minute si se opreste si nu mai porneste.
Am verificat instalatia nu are pierderi si am completat cu freon, am schimbat senzorii, am masurat bobina de pe compresor = 4.5 , am verificat releele de langa baterie sunt ok, am verificat firele de la compresor pana la releu e ok.
O idee ceva?
Aceeasi problema o am si eu la vectra b 2001 1.6 16v eroare 1530 si clima merge doar cu motorul rece dimineata la prima cheie pentru 3 , 4 minute si se opreste si nu mai porneste.
Am verificat instalatia nu are pierderi si am completat cu freon, am schimbat senzorii, am masurat bobina de pe compresor = 4.5 , am verificat releele de langa baterie sunt ok, am verificat firele de la compresor pana la releu e ok.
O idee ceva?
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