Opel vs. Dacia-Renault

Nene, Golanul, e masina low-cost. Cat crezi ca s-a investit in siguranta ?
Este un soi altoit lansat in 2004 cu tehnologie din anii '90, cu investitii minime in siguranta, cat sa bifeze capitolul.
Cand au pus motoare mai noi i s-a dublat pretul, fara a se investi semnificativ in siguranta.
Deci, de ce ar fi peste Vectra 97 cand la capitolul siguranta nu are nimic peste Vectra '97 ?
Urmeaza sa ne spui ca e mai sigur si decat un S din 94, pentru ca nu-i asa, in 94 era alte tendinte in teste.
Nu stiu cati dintre voi ati vazut cum arata Golanurile dupa accidente.

Da' ce faci cu atatea? Caruta nu-ti mai place!

Nene Slash, poate cititi si pe aici, nu va uitati doar la stele (vezi ca Vectra B are steluta numarul 3 taiata cu rosu, ce sa fie, ce sa fie?)

Vectra:
The Vectra sustained footwell intrusion in the frontal impact, the driver ran a high risk of suffering life-threatening chest injuries in the side-impact test: the car would fail to meet forthcoming side-impact legislation for new models. The amount by which the steering intruded into the cabin in the frontal impact also gave cause for concern. However, in the side-impact test, protection for the driver's head and pelvis was good.

Front impact
The driver's screen pillar was pushed backwards by only 57mm (2.2in) and the passenger compartment remained structurally stable. The driver's door could not be opened normally because of damage to the handle, but opened easily when the latch mechanism was operated. The passenger's door opened normally. The steering wheel was pushed backwards by 58mm (2.3in) and upwards by 82mm (3.2in). There was moderate footwell intrusion – the brake pedal was pushed backwards by 134mm (5.3in). Head protection was downgraded to adequate because of steering wheel intrusion. This might have posed an even greater risk to shorter or taller drivers or those in different seating positions. Protection for his neck was good. The restraint system kept the driver's chest away from the steering wheel, though forces transmitted to his chest via the seat belt presented some risk of injury. Protection for the knees, thighs and pelvis rated as 'good', but 'poor' for the left lower leg. Footwell intrusion resulted in foot and ankle protection being rated as 'marginal'. Protection for the front passenger was generally good, though forces transmitted via the seat belt presented an injury risk to his chest. The results for the passenger dummy were not modified on the basis of any structural damage to the car.

Side impact
Protection for the driver's head and pelvis rated as good, but data taken from the dummy showed that the side of the car struck him a blow to the chest and presented a high risk of life-threatening injury. There was also some risk of injury to his abdomen.


Jaful de Logan:
The Logan's body proved to be strong and the car achieved a three star rating for adult protection. The front passenger dummy’s chest instrumentation recorded high loads in the frontal impact. High loads were also recorded by the driver’s chest instrumentation in the side impact. The child protection offered was fair. But protection for pedestrians and other vulnerable road users was poor.

Front impact
The stable passenger cell and the single stage non-tethered airbags for the driver and front passenger worked well together but loads recorded by the dummies’ chests, particularly the passenger’s, were on the high side. While the footwell suffered only minimal distortion, poor control of the displacement of the clutch and brake pedal compromised protection for the driver’s feet. The brake pedal was also found to be blocked after the test, putting the driver’s lower legs at further risk. He also risked knee injuries from the steering column and its mounting bracket.

Side impact
The driver dummy’s chest instrumentation recorded high loads but his abdomen and pelvic region were protected. However, marks were taken away because forces transferred unrealistically up the driver’s dummy’s spine so reducing the impact forces recorded at its chest.

salut ma bag un pic in discutie in legatura cu siguranta la un Logan,vb acum vro 2 ani cu un neamt venit la noi in concediu,l-am cunoscut printr-o verisoara stabilita de ceva ani in germania,omul avea un service acasa era un patron cu 2 angajati etc...si discutam cu el pe tema auto si am ajuns si la Logan sau dc isi cumpara nemti logan,raspunsul a fost unul direct--masini noi la preturi foarte mici.sa revin un pic la topic masinile Logan facute pt germania de exemplu vin cu alte dotari din fabrica,si automat cu alt nivel de siguranta(spoiler si bara intarite,usile la fel intarite cu bari etc)si cu siguranta la un test de rezistenta au alt punctaj.

Slash, tu de unde stii cat s-a investit in proiectarea elementelor de siguranta strcuturala la Logan? O spui pe toate partile cu multa convingere ca e varza. Ai fost unul din proiectanti, erai contabilul lor si ai vazut ca au angajat din liceenii care nu au luat bacul anul trecut sau le livrai pizza si ii gaseai jucand barbut si uitandu-se la filme porno? Lamureste-ne si pe noi.

Nu imi fac concediile in Austria, nu ma omor dupa sporturile de iarna. Prefer plimbatul prin munti, ceea ce inseamna ca imi ajunge Romania. Fac cam 15mii de km in oras si cam 10mii prin concedii (Ceahlau, Rarau, Bucegi, Apuseni, Maramures). Acum am sa fac mai mult pentru ca m-am mutat in afara orasului.

P.S. Sa vezi ce usor se sterge noroiul lasat de tzanc pe spatarul scanului imbracat in piele... La textila m-ar fi apucat damblaua. Merci pentru urari.
P.S.2 Intamplator, sunt pus in fata achizitiei unei a doua masini, tocmai din cauza relocarii in afara orasului. Alegerea ar fi intre un Logan 1.4 '06 de 3000euro si VectraB '97 1.8 115CP 2000EUR. Ghici ce am sa imi iau.

Nu ai ghicit

Astea de la Opel mai au in plus o admisie variabila, o geometrie variabila...

Alea de la Logan au un EGR care recircula mai mult. Sau am ratat eu ceva ?

Ca sa fim corecti, Logan a inlocuit 1.4 75CP cu 1.2 75CP. Bine, e tot un MPI simplu fara VVT, ceea ce inseamna ca tot is in urma cu o generatie fata de orice VVT de la Opel. Oricum, vad ca se continua cu motoarele si se trece peste restul. Sa inteleg ca asta e tot ceea ce conteaza la Logan, motorul? Pai atunci hai sa facem un versus "motoare Reno vs motoare Opel" si am rezolvat problema. Sau si mai simplu, "1.2 75CP Reno versus 1.2 80CP Opel" ori "1.6 105CP Reno versus 1.6 115CP Opel" (ca tot faceam versus Logan - AstraClassic3 berlina).

si din ce m-am mai documentat,dacia vrea sa scoata in toamna acestui an noi motoare turbo pe benzina,dar cilindreea se va situa intre 900cm si 1200cm si cu o putere intre 112cp si 125(parca).nu imi mai aduc aminte exact valorile,dar cam pe acolo sunt.deci..oricum,motoare cu cilindree foarte mica.cu toate acestea,cu motoarele turbo pe benzina care vor scoate cei de la Dacia,tot nu ma incanta aceasta masina.nu vreau sa imi sariti in cap,dar asta este strict opinia mea!