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  • elegance

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Mergand linistit pe drum m'am trezit cu urmatorul led aprins in bord:



Am inteles din cartea masinii, ca ar fi o defectiune in sistemul de monitorizare a presiunii din anvelope. Am intrat in meniul unde imi arata presiunile si la roata dreapta spate nu imi indica presiunea, apar doar niste liniute.
Am dezumflat roata de tot, am umflat'o la loc, nici o schimbare. Am dat jos senzorul si spre surprinderea mea e capsulat deci singura solutie consta intr'un senzor nou. Aici apare o mica problema: senzorul costa 420 de lei. Shocked Mult prea scump pt. ceea ce face.
Dati'mi o solutie, cum sa il resetez? Sau cum pot dezactiva intreg sistemul de monitorizare sa nu se mai aprinda ledul respectiv ca imi dau seama si singur cand am pana. Rolling Eyes
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  • kta_007

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salut vezi ca e pe bord un buton special pt presiune e tot asa ca in poza dar numai ca nu are semnu "!" intelegi? si bagi cheia in contact si dupaia ti vreo 5 ,10 secunde nu mai stiu exact cat si se resterseaza el singur Smile
  • elegance

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Unde e pozitionat acel buton ca e prima data cand aud de el. Nici in manual nu scrie nimic.
Am pus masina pe tester si a dat o eroare legata de senzorul respectiv. Am sters eroarea, s'a stins si martorul dar s'a aprins din nou dupa cativa km. Ma gandesc ca e gata bateria din senzor si sa il desfac cumva sa vad ce ii pot face (desi in manual zice ca ar trebui sa tina 10 ani). Daca nu, merg la reprezentanta si ii dezactivez pe toti. Rolling Eyes
  • elegance

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Spre uimirea clujenilor va anunt ca problema e rezolvata. Cool Am desfacut senzorul, desi e incastrat in plastic si desfacerea lui implica practic distrugerea carcasei de plastic, am schimbat bateria, am refacut carcasa de plastic din poxipol si merge fara probleme. Nu stiu cat o sa reziste la gropile romanesti dar pt. 4 lei cat a costat bateria a meritat sa incerc. Mentionez ca bateria este de tipul CR 2450.
  • gabiopel

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elegance ne poti spune la ce tip de opel ai acel martor in bord banuiesc ca doar la astra h ,vectra c , ca la astra g sau vectra b acel martor nu exista in bord.multumesc
  • elegance

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Vectra C, 2005. Martorul e la fel pt. toate autoturismele dotate cu senzori de presiune roti.
  • laurica

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spune-mi te rog unde se afla senzorul acela ? merci
  • elegance

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Exista 4 senzori, in fiecare roata cate unul. Practic, senzorul e o valva mai desteapta. Smile


  • Stefan_BC

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stie cineva daca se pot monta ulterior senzorii,masina neavand aceasta optiune din fabrica,daca se pot monta cam care ar fi pasi care trebuiesc urmati
  • CristianTM

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stefan_ciocoiu a scris:stie cineva daca se pot monta ulterior senzorii,masina neavand aceasta optiune din fabrica,daca se pot monta cam care ar fi pasi care trebuiesc urmati


Montare unitate principala, programare cu Tech2, montare receptori (4, unul pentru fiecare roata), introducere senzori presiune in anvelopa (4).
Sa ne anunti daca faci operatiunea si a reusit !

CristianTM.
  • ddf

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Exista si after market .Un exemplu :
http://www.thunderwebshop.r...e&iProduct=16
Si sunt o groaza de site-uri care vand asa ceva.
Pretul este insa mult prea mare in raport cu beneficiile obtinute.
Rog a nu se considera reclama .
  • Stefan_BC

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ma gandeam daca gasesc ceva original sa l montez si sa l activez
  • Stefan_BC

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uitati ce am gasit http://www.bosch-esperience...e_monitoring.html oare nu mai este nevoie de senzori de presiune in roti?si se poate activa ,,ceva'' cu tech2-ul?
  • gastra

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Da. Inteleg ca ai Zafira. Se poate activa DDS (deflation detected system), ce functioneaza prin abs, dupa principiul din site-ul bosch, si se activeaza cu tech2.nu da presiunea reala, dar te anunta cind un pneu se dezumfla(pana).
  • Stefan_BC

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gastra a scris:Da. Inteleg ca ai Zafira. Se poate activa DDS (deflation detected system), ce functioneaza prin abs, dupa principiul din site-ul bosch, si se activeaza cu tech2.nu da presiunea reala, dar te anunta cind un pneu se dezumfla(pana).

am sa incerc sa vb cu tcineva cu tech 2 sa vad daca o poate activa
  • Stefan_BC

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intre timp am gasit asta: Tyre pressure monitoring system (TPMS/DDS) - deflation detection system (DDS)

Two different tyre pressure monitoring systems are used on the Astra-H.

DDS

The DDS is a function of the ABS MK60 ESP and calculates the pressure loss in the tyres via the wheel speed sensors of the ABS. When the vehicle is being driven, the speed of each wheel is monitored continually. Loss of pressure in the tyre reduces the tyre's diameter and thereby the rotational speed of the wheel. If the system detects a difference in rotational speed such as this, the control indicator (red) will light up. The DDS is an indirect measurement system as it only gives a warning about loss of air but does not say which tyre/wheel is affected.

The control indicator lights up when there is a pressure deviation of approx. 30% compared with the other tyres. If there is a fault in the system, the (yellow) control indicator lights up.

TPMS

The tyre pressure monitoring system (TPMS) is a direct measuring system which works together with the DDS. Four pressure and heat sensors located in the tyres continually monitor the inflation pressure whilst the vehicle is being driven. The air/inflation pressure is transmitted by radio wave directly to the TPMS control unit (which is also a receiver). In contrast to the Vectra-C, the TPMS on the Astra-H only works with one receiver (TPMS control unit). All signals received (pressure, heat) are first evaluated by the TPMS control unit and transmitted on the CAN bus via the ABS control unit to the instrument cluster.

The current tyre inflation pressures can be read from the Info Display.

If the system detects that there is a pressure difference in one or more tyres, an indicator appears in the Info Display showing the position of the faulty tyre. Pressure differences down to 0.1 bar can be displayed.

For the system to work, all wheels have to be fitted with pressure sensors, all tyres have to be inflated to the specified air pressure and the system has to be initialised.

The tyre pressure monitoring system is ready to operate once the ignition is on and continually checks the tyre pressure once the vehicle has reached a speed of 30 km/h.


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Additional display in the instrument assembly
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Tyre pressure sensor

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Info display
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Extension for tyre pressure valve, fastened to the inside of the tank filler flap

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Control unit for tyre pressure monitoring system



The DDS operates together with the TPMS and serves as a back-up system should one or all of the tyre pressure sensors fail. The DDS system indicates a deviation in air pressure or a system fault by means of a control indicator in the instrument panel:

◦Yellow display, system fault
◦Red display, deviation in tyre pressure
The spare wheel is not fitted with a tyre pressure sensor.

Should there be a deviation in tyre pressure, the TPMS displays the following messages in the Info Display along with the current measurements for the individual tyres:

◦Slight pressure deviation: Display reads "Check rear left tyre pressure"
◦Large pressure deviation: Display reads "Warning! Pressure loss in left rear tyre"
If there is a fault with one or all of the tyre pressure sensors, the TPMS operation automatically switches to the DDS system of the ABS. It calculates the pressures automatically from a speed of approx. 30 km/h by means of the wheel speed sensors.

Vehicles with tyre pressure monitoring systems can be recognised by the fact that the tyre valve stems are made of metal and have aluminium caps, instead of the usual rubber stems and plastic caps.

In the event of a puncture, do not use liquid tyre repair systems as they will damage the tyre pressure sensors.

The tyre pressure sensor contains a metal tyre valve. A non-changeable battery supplies the tyre pressure sensors with voltage.

DDS

After the tyre pressures have been corrected, or if a tyre or wheel has been changed or the wheels swapped over (e.g. a front wheel to the rear), the system must be reprogrammed/initialised:

◦Press the DDS button for 4 seconds (with the ignition on or engine running), the control indicator will flash 3 times
◦The system is operational once a certain distance has been covered, i.e. different speed ranges are programmed in by means of different driving profiles. It can take up to a maximum of one hour to program all the speed ranges.
TPMS/DDS

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After the tyre or wheel has been changed, the tyre pressure sensor replaced or the wheels swapped over (e.g. a front wheel to the rear), the system must be reprogrammed/initialised:

◦Press the DDS button for 4 seconds (with the ignition on or engine running), the control indicator will flash 3 times
◦The TPMS system will display the measured pressure in the Info Display after approx. 2 min (min. speed 30 km/h).
◦The DDS requires a certain distance to be covered for programming purposes (see above).
◦The DDS is used to allocate/position the pressure sensors / wheels.
The system at first only distinguishes between the front and rear axles (after 10 min. driving time at a min. of 30 km/h). Only when there is a loss of pressure does it distinguish between left and right as well.

If a customer is trying out the TPMS (e.g. by inflating the right tyre to a higher pressure), the display may indicate the wrong side of the vehicle (i.e. it may show that the left tyre has a higher pressure). Not until the vehicle is driving along will the previously programmed DDS then allocate the wheel or sensor correctly, after which the display in the Info Display will be correct.

Should the customer have concerns, assign the tyre pressure sensors unambiguously to the TPMS control unit by using the following programming procedure:

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◦Reduce the tyre pressure to approx. 1 bar and re-inflate as described below.
◦Proceed with each tyre in turn.
◦Front left: 3.0 bar
◦Front right: 2.7 bar
◦Rear right: 2.4 bar
◦Rear left: 2.1 bar
◦Tyre pressure sensors are now active.

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◦Drive the vehicle for a short while at a speed above 30 km/h to close the roll switches, i.e. activate the pressure sensors.
◦Inflate the tyres:
◦Front left: 3.0 bar
◦Front right: 2.7 bar
◦Rear right: 2.4 bar
◦Rear left: 2.1 bar
Then proceed as follows for both methods:

◦Press DDS button for 4 seconds (with ignition on or engine running).
◦Control indicator lights up yellow to confirm that the correct pressure setting has been detected (each pressure value must have been received once, total duration approx. 2 minutes).
◦Perform re-set again: Press DDS button for 4 seconds (with ignition on or vehicle running), control indicator will flash 3 times
The system has now assigned the pressure sensors unambiguously and is operational.

Both procedures should be carried out within 15 minutes.

The pressure can be read off from the Info Display (if the pressure should drop quickly, the transmission will occur while stationary).

On both versions, a faulty wheel sensor can be detected by the loss of the associated pressure value in the display.

Example: 2.7 bar is not displayed - front right wheel sensor is faulty.

Re-inflate the tyres to the correct pressure.

If a pressure sensor should fail during a journey, no pressures will be shown in the display.

To check the tyre pressures on vehicles with TPMS, attach the adapter, which is located on the tank filler flap, to the tyre valve before attaching the tyre pressure checker.

The seal rings of the valve stems and valve inserts must be replaced every time the tyre is changed. When tightening the nut on the tyre pressure sensor, it is essential to observe the specified tightening torque to prevent the sensor getting damaged. Information on fitting tyres can be found in the Astra-H Service Instruction, group "E".

TPMS control unit

The electronic control unit is the interface to the vehicle electrical and electronic systems. Wheel data is transmitted via RF (radio frequency) signals to the control unit where it is processed. The driver is informed of the current status via the Info Display. The control unit is connected to terminal 15 and terminal 31 as well as the low-speed CAN bus in order to communicate with other control units and for system diagnosis.

radio transmission: TPMS, 433 MHz connection between ECU and sensors
Warning and alarm

The system uses the standard tyre pressure as a reference, therefore the front and rear wheels may show different values.

If the tyre pressures have been increased by at least 0.1 bar, the control unit assumes the new values as the default values the next time the ignition is switched on.

A warning message is output:

◦Detected tyre pressures is -0.3 bar
An alarm message is output if:

◦Detected tyre pressure is -0.6 bar
deci sa inteleg ca se poate activa cu tech2-ul?
  • ciprinel

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Hai ca de ieri am patit-o si eu. Exact ca @elegance. Am luat o blestemata de groapa si pana sa ies spre DN 1 catre Bucuresti s-a aprins martorul galben din bord. Intru in meniu si vad ca roata stg fata nu mai indica valoarea presiunii( erau liniute in loc). Mi-am zis ce s-o fi intamplat neimaginandu-mi ca poate fi de la acea groapa( tarziu am realizat faza). La un moment dat si-a revenit si imi indica valoarea 2.1. Am ajuns la destinatie si am stat cateva ore. La intoarcere s-a aprins de la pornirea motorului si n-a mai vrut sa se stinga. Si pana seara am tot mers cu masina si "n" porniri-opriri si nimic. Acu nu stiu cat o mai costa unu la Dibas. O sa sun sa vad cat mai e unu. Ca turbez sa stau cu ala galben atintit in ochii mei.
  • ciprinel

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Hai ca am sunat la Opel Dibas si mi-au spus un pret foarte nejustificat pentru acea valva cu senzor. 490 lei. Foarte mult avand in vedere ca functia pe care o face nu este una de foarte mare importanta. Daca nu-l gasesc mai ieftin mie ca merg ceva timp cu luminita galbioara in ochii mei beliti Very Happy
O sa incerc sa-l caut si la alte magazine dedicate firmei Opel.
Poate afla cineva codul de piesa va rog frumos.
  • trotil2

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ciprinel a scris:Hai ca de ieri am patit-o si eu. Exact ca @elegance. Am luat o blestemata de groapa si pana sa ies spre DN 1 catre Bucuresti s-a aprins martorul galben din bord. Intru in meniu si vad ca roata stg fata nu mai indica valoarea presiunii( erau liniute in loc). Mi-am zis ce s-o fi intamplat neimaginandu-mi ca poate fi de la acea groapa( tarziu am realizat faza). La un moment dat si-a revenit si imi indica valoarea 2.1. Am ajuns la destinatie si am stat cateva ore. La intoarcere s-a aprins de la pornirea motorului si n-a mai vrut sa se stinga. Si pana seara am tot mers cu masina si "n" porniri-opriri si nimic. Acu nu stiu cat o mai costa unu la Dibas. O sa sun sa vad cat mai e unu. Ca turbez sa stau cu ala galben atintit in ochii mei.






Aceeasi problema o am si eu...un senzor second se poate pune?
Si inca o intrebare:unde in meniu pot verifica senzorii la roti?
  • Edwin

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@ciprinel, cred cã asta cauti:

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